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Discus Planetarium
Mon Nov 21, 2011, 10:47 AM
Fish Disease and Problems



Unfortunately fish are highly susceptible to diseases and problems, especially when their water conditions are not accurately maintained. In some cases the solution is simply a clean and water change, in many some sort or medication or air is required to either treat the fish or return the water to normal levels. We highly recommend talking to one of our trained staff if your fish have any problems.

Using medication for your fish can sometimes be quite complicated. There are many factors to take into consideration when treating one of your sick fish. Most treatments will require that the entire tank be treated, with this in mind, you need to be sure that the treatment for one sick fish, won't adversely affect the health of other fish in the tank. Alternatively, some medications may also kill the bacteria in the tank if used over a long period of time. This will lead to ammonia build up and may kill all your fish weeks after you have medicated one fish with a problem. Depending on the diversity of your tank, you may need to separate a sick fish and treat it in a separate tank, like taking it to a hospital.

With the proper information and advice you have a much better chance of curing a sick or diseased fish, and keeping all your other fish safe while doing it. There are hundreds of diseases that can affect your fish, luckily only a few are common. Additionally, sometimes it's the cause of the disease that is just as important to determine. i.e. you may always use an outdoor rain tank for water changes and the problem originates there. You may cure the problem, only to have it return weeks later. Alternatively, you may not do enough water changes and cleaning, leading to ammonia or bad bacteria problems.

Check your equipment, environment and water quality before treating any fish!



Problem Groups and Common Problems

Not all problems are a "disease" if the term is used in it's strictest sense.

Environmental Stress: Sluggish behavior, panting, and gill discolouration (gill burn). Fish may hang just below the water surface.

Incorrect Temperature
Incorrect pH
Oxygen Shortage
Ammonia Poisoning
Nitrite/Nitrate Poisoning
Medication Poisoning
Chlorine Poisoning
Heavy Metal Poisoning
Hydrogen Sulfide Poisoning
Other Pollutant Poising
Bacterial Infections: Inactivity, loss of colour, frayed fins, bloated body, cloudy eyes, open sores, abscesses, red streaks throughout body, reddening or inflammation of the skin, fins or internal organs, bulging eyes, difficulty breathing.

Fish Tuberculosis
Dropsy
Mouth Fungus Columnaris
Discus Flu
Neon Disease
Fin Rot
Fungal Infections (often secondary to another type of illness): Erratic swimming, darting, scratching, visible cotton-like tufts on skin, eyes, or mouth.

Saprolegnia
Achlya
Parasitic Infections: Inactivity, loss of appetite, excess mucus or film on body, visible spots or worms, rapid breathing, scratching.

Velvet Disease
White Spot or Ich
Gill Flukes
Skin Flukes
Fish Lice
Costia
Chilodonella
Hole in Head or Discus Disease



Incorrect Temperature
Most tropical fish are used to living in water with a small temperature variance. When the temperature drops below or exceeds this range, fish can be weakened and left more vulnerable to disease. The best way to prevent wide variances in temperature is to purchase a reliable heater and place the tank away from drafty areas.

Incorrect pH
Symptoms: Darting movements, inflamed gills, bleeding gills, rapid gill movements, gasping for air at water surface.
Solution: Most tropical fish live in water with a relatively stable pH. When the pH is not right, the fish are weakened and become more susceptible to illness and infection. If the pH is way off, do not rapidly restore the pH to normal. Instead, gradually add pH buffers until the proper pH is reached. To help prevent this problem, check the pH on a regular basis.

Oxygen Shortage
Symptoms: Rapid gill movement and fish hanging just below the water surface. Later, the fish may lose colour and die.
Solution: An oxygen shortage can be caused by several ways: insufficient aeration, a buildup of organic wastes, a high temperature, or through plant respiration. An oxygen deficiency can be solved by a partial water change, an increase in aeration, and removal of dead or dying fish and vegetation.

Ammonia Poisoning
Symptoms: Sluggish behavior, panting, and gill discolouration (gill burn). Fish may hang just below the water surface.
Solution: Ammonia poisoning is caused by the buildup of organic waste due to overfeeding, fish or plant deaths and decay, or improper cycling. Ammonia poisoning especially occurs when the pH exceeds 7, when benign ammonium becomes ammonia. The easiest way to confirm ammonia poisoning is by testing the water. Ammonia poisoning can be reduced by reducing feedings, making water changes, lowering the pH, using zeolites, and increasing aeration.

Nitrite/Nitrate Poisoning
Symptoms: symptoms as ammonia poisoning.
Solution: Nitrite/Nitrate poisoning is caused by the same activities as ammonia poisoning. Nitrite/Nitrate poisoning has the same, and can be tested by a Nitrite/Nitrate water test kit. The best course of action, is to reduce feeding, make frequent partial water changes until the compounds are reduced, and increase the aeration in the water.

Medication Poisoning
Symptoms: Treated fish, or other fish appear unwell while medicating.
Solution: Medications are meant to help fish recover, although when misused, can be more harmful than helpful. Medications can have adverse affects on many types of fish including Catfish, Tetras, Mormyrids, Loaches, and other sensitive fish. Copper-based medications have harmful affects on invertebrates, so always remove snails and crustaceans from the tank before treating it. Always be sure to read the label on the medication to confirm that it is suitable for your fish. If a medication appears to be harming your fish, make a partial water change and filter the water with activated carbon.

Chlorine Poisoning
Symptoms: Red or bleeding gills
Solution: Free chlorine, present in most tap water, is toxic to fish. Chlorine affects the gills and causes death by asphyxiation. Chlorine can be removed by boiling the water, letting the water stand for a few days, vigorously aerating the water, or by adding a water conditioner.

Heavy Metal Poisoning
Symptoms: Fish gasp at the surface for air and breath rapidly
Solution: Heavy metal poisoning can result from old pipes and/or metal in the fish tank. Tests are available to measure the amounts of heavy metals in your water. The best way to remove heavy metals is to utilize a reverse osmosis system, although filtering the water through activated carbon and using water conditioners can be substituted.

Hydrogen Sulfide Poisoning
Symptoms: Rotten egg-like odour and fish gasping at the water surface for air Solution: This gas is caused by rotting debris and waste in the gravel of the tank. This gas is toxic. The best measure to take is to make a large water change, using a siphon to remove waste from the gravel. Make partial water changes until the odour is gone and the fish return to normal swimming and breathing.

Other Pollutant poising
There are other chemicals (cigarette smoke, paint fumes, pesticides) that sometimes make their way into the fish tank. The best way to combat these pollutants is not to allow them to get in the tank in the first place. However, once a foreign pollutant enters the tank, the results can be drastic for the inhabitants. Try making water changes and filtering with activated carbon to alleviate the problem.

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Fish Tuberculosis (Mycobacterium)
Symptoms: Fish may lose colour and appetite and become hollow-bellied. Fish become lifeless and often crippled–with a bent spine. Fish develop ulcers under the skin and may rupture causing open sores and “pop-eye.”
Solution: This disease is highly infectious and deleterious. Bacteria can remain living in the gravel to infect other fish when they are weakened. Some success has been achieved by treating infected fish with antibiotics (Oxytetracycline and Kanamycin), although often it is best to kill the fish and put it out of its misery. When removing piscine tuberculosis victims, do so with care, as this disease can be transmitted to humans.

Dropsy (Aeromonas, Pseudomonas)
Symptoms: Fish infected with Dropsy are characterized by protruding scales, bulging eyes, pale gills, the body cavity is filled with fluid, and there may be red patches on the skin.
Solution: An infectious disease that spreads most readily among weakened fish. Infected fish should be removed and destroyed, or treated with antibiotics. Treatment is not usually successful.

Mouth Fungus, Columnaris (Chondrococcus, Cytophaga)
Symptoms: Despite its misleading common name, mouth fungus is actually caused by bacteria. Patches of cotton-like patches develop around the mouth, but also on the head, fins, gills, and body. As the disease progresses, open sores develop.
Solution: Raise the water temperature. Several different courses of action can be taken including a 30 minute bath in 1 ppm potassium permanganate (10 Mg/L); the addition of Malachite green; or the addition Nifurpirinol. Frequent partial water changes are important.

Discus Flu, Discus Plague
Symptoms: The disease sets in rapidly after new fish are introduced. The first symptoms include small white patches on the body and the disintegration of the fins. Soon, the milky mucous membrane begins to slough off in large sections and the fish turn a dark colour. If a number of fish are affected, they may huddle together in the corner of the tank.
Solution: This seasonal, flu-like disease, that has devastated entire hatcheries, is caused by seemingly unknown causes. Scientists have found a number of species of bacteria in diseased fish. The best way to combat the disease is to keep the pH low (4-5), make daily water changes (clean the tank well), and stop feeding the fish. The lights should be turned off and decorations removed. Try treating the water with a small amount of potassium permanganate to kill off some bacteria. Some suggest using an antihistamine throughout the course of the disease.

Neon Disease (Sporozoasis)
Symptoms: This incurable disease can affect Characins, Cyprinds, and Cichlids. The disease can manifest itself in several ways. Symptoms vary, and can include a loss of colour, emancipation, and the loss of equilibrium causing fish to swim in an erratic, jerky manner. An infected specimen will wander from its school. The body may become a milky, opaque colour.
Solution: Since this disease is not treatable, the best way to prevent its spread is to immediately remove the affected fish, and destroy it. Disinfect the tank after removing other fish.

Fin Rot (Pseudomonas and others)
Symptoms: The edges of the fins are discoloured and frayed. As the disease progresses, fin damage becomes more evident as the fins disintegrate. Often fungal infections follow fin rot, contributing to fin damage.
Solution: Fin rot is most commonly caused by improper water conditions including too low a temperature and the buildup of toxic compounds. This infectious disease can be treated with a bath in Trypaflavine or the addition of commercially prepared medications. Treatment of Fin rot is difficult.

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Saprolegnia and Achlya
Symptoms: Cotton-like tufts of fungus appear on the body of the fish. As algae grows on the fungus, the fungus turns a brownish colour.
Solution: Fungal infections are secondary infections that can only occur when the fish is already diseased or physically injured. When fungal infestations occur, raise the water temperature. Several different courses of action can be taken including a 30 minute bath in 1 ppm Sodium Permanganate (10 Mg/L); the addition of Malachite green; or the addition of a commercial fungal medication.

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Velvet Disease (Oodinium)
Symptoms: Velvet disease is characterized by a cover of a fine gold to gray film on the fish’s body. The affected fish may gasp for air and rub against rocks. The gills may be flared.
Solution: When Velvet disease has been confirmed, raise the water temperature of the tank. If possible, the temperature should be brought to 88-93°F (31-34°C). Turn off the lights and treat fish with copper sulfate, Trypaflavine, methylene blue, a malachite green-formalin combination, or Quinine Hydrochloride. An alternative is to immerse the infected fish in a salt bath.

White Spot Disease, Ich (Ichthyophthirius)
Symptoms: The body and fins are covered with small white spots. In heavy infestations, the skin may be covered with slimy gray patches. As the disease progresses, the fish becomes emancipated and less active, and scratches against objects.
Solution: The Ichthyophthirius parasite has three life cycle stages, and is only vulnerable to medication in the free-swimming stage. Raise the temperature to 86°F (30°C). This highly contagious disease is treatable with a malachite green-formalin combination, Trypaflavine, Quinine, an addition of salt, or one of many medications available in pet stores. Treat the tank for three weeks so all the Ich parasites have completed their cycles. Survivors appear to be immune after infection, but still carry disease. Non- immune tank mates are infected when they are weakened by stress.

Gill Flukes (Dactylogyrus, Cichlidogyrus, Tetraonchus)
Symptoms: Tiny worm-like flukes infest the gill membranes causing redness and slimy gills, panting at the surface, rapid breathing, and emancipation.
Solution: Flukes lay eggs that are resistant to medication. Treat the tank with Droncit (Praziquantel) at 2 ppm (2 Mg/L) or a malachite green-formalin combination until all eggs and flukes are gone. Flukes can be eliminated from fish (but not the tank), by short formalin, salt (3 %), or Ammonium Hydroxide baths.

Skin Flukes (Gyrodactylus)
Symptoms: Fish are infested with small worms causing colour's to fade, reddish patches, and the fish to scratch against objects.
Solution: Skin flukes can be treated with Droncit (Praziquantel) at 2 ppm (2 Mg/L) and formalin baths.

Fish Lice (Argulus)
Symptoms: Fish rub against rocks and plants and have clamped fins. Areas may have red, inflamed spots. Small lice are visible to the naked eye.
Solution: The best treatment is careful, manual removal with a pair of tweezers and siphon the gravel daily to remove eggs. If there is a heavy infestation, raise the temperature to 86°F (30°C), and treat the aquarium with dylox, masoten, or trichlorfon (0,0-dimethyl- 2,2,2-trichloro-1-hydroxyethyl phosphonate). Be sure to remove all invertebrates from the aquarium as they may be harmfully affected by the treatment.

Costia
Symptoms: The body is covered by a gray layer of slime and the fins are frayed. The fish may swim erratically and rub against rocks. Heavy infestations result in reddish patches on the skin. A highly infectious disease that thrives in acidic water.
Solution: The temperature should be raised to 86°F (30°C) and the fish should be bathed in a short formalin, or a longer salt bath. Medications are available in pet stores.

Chilodonella
Symptoms: The body and gills lose colour and become gray-blue in colour. Fish swim erratically and rub against objects.
Solution: A malachite green-formalin combination works well as does a short (30 min) salt bath followed by a 12 hour Trypaflavine bath. This disease is most prevalent in overcrowded tanks and is most easily prevented by maintaining an appropriately stocked tank.

Hole in Head or Discus Disease (Hexamita, Spironucleus)
Symptoms: Diseased fish lose weight and develop “pitting” in the head region.
Solution: The cause of this disease is usually attributed to a lack vitamins and minerals, especially vitamin D and calcium, the effects of the deficiency possibly amplified by the presence of Hexamita in the intestines. This intestinal flagellate is usually introduced with the feeding of Tubifex worms, and can survive in the gravel of unclean tanks. The best way to cure Hole-in-the-Head Disease is to complement the diet with vitamins. Treatment can also include dosages of antibiotics and metronidazole. Keeping the tank scrupulously clean also helps prevent this disease. Try medicated fish foods.

Mr Wild
Mon Nov 21, 2011, 11:42 AM
Where did you get the reference material from?

Nev
Mon Nov 21, 2011, 01:10 PM
Nice cut and paste for no apparent reason.
What was the question again?

Ghoti
Mon Nov 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
Handy reference. Thanks for sharing.

Should reference the source to avoid the forum being pinged for plagarism.

Cheers,
Scott

Discus Planetarium
Mon Nov 21, 2011, 09:22 PM
you may need it one day NEV lol....

BigDaddyAdo
Tue Nov 22, 2011, 01:32 AM
Why not simply post a link to useful information rather than cutting and pasting it?

Discus Planetarium
Tue Nov 22, 2011, 04:00 AM
because this is the way i want to do it ok..i put it on here to help people,alot of people dont know much about meds and what they do.....

swampy1972
Tue Nov 22, 2011, 05:48 AM
because this is the way i want to do it ok..i put it on here to help people,alot of people dont know much about meds and what they do.....

Whether you copy and paste, write it from scratch or whatever.. I think they mean to say - "thanks for the helpful info".

I know a poor member of another forum that would pay to read this at the moment, so I'll be sending her the link.

Thanks again :wink:

Discus Planetarium
Tue Nov 22, 2011, 06:56 AM
I thank you all,i found it on google so i thought i would paste it and keep it for myself now i carnt find it again been looking dont know where it is,i just hope it will help you all...thanks again...

Mrs D
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 02:16 AM
The downfall of 2 discus :( Thanks for the info. A "First Aid Kit / Medicine Chest" list would be good too.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7445.jpg

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Fish were treated with salt as I thought it was a wound from my mistaken use of branches in the tank and all discus removed to bare bottom tank with no decorations to help with treatment and keeping water in top condition.

Next day, one discus had pop eye and the spot near the tail was greatly incresed in size
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7460.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7461.jpg

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Isolated healthy looking fish immediately and treated with trisulpha as advised. Within 30 min this was the result.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7463.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7464.jpg

I had been checking about every 5 min and managed to come in just in time to see my fish convulse and die.

The other discus is still surviving
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7468.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7470.jpg

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Late that night
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Also appears now to have some sort of white spots on the fins?
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7475.jpg

And one eye appears to have discolouration - no popping
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7480.jpg

While this was going on, I decided that I would give up on trying to breed and just focus on one nice planted tank of happy and healthy discus. Checked one of my breeding pairs and noticed what I think is gill fluke. These fish went straight into bb breeding tank (was told they were a pair) when I brought them home and had no contact with the others.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/MrsDragon_2006/IMGP7465.jpg

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I would please ask for people to be gentle with their comments as I have just been through an extremely traumatic experience and am very upset about this. I have not posted looking for critisism, but to hopefully help others as I had never seen anything like this. The first discus was dead within 36hrs and the second is still alive so far - I'm at work today so I can only pray.

Ghoti
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 03:49 AM
Sorry to see/hear of your loss Mrs. D.

You have come to the right place for advice.

Cheers,
Scott

Discus Planetarium
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 05:34 AM
sorry to here you did your best to help the fish its hard at times i know...

giorid
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 06:45 AM
Sorry for the loss, did you find out what those ulcers were and why they got so sick, thanks.

SLS
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 07:21 AM
PM Sent.

Please fill in your location details, and come see me if you are in Sydney.

Kind regards,
George

Discus Planetarium
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 09:49 AM
MRS D i am very sorry for your loss and would like to help you as much as i can,when your ready for some more discus i would like to give you one or two from my stock,all you need to do is contact me and i will send you your fish i hope this will help you....
regards DISCUS PLANETARIUM.....

Nev
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 10:51 AM
So what was wrong with all the sick and diseased fish in those pics?

Mrs D
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 11:07 AM
I don't know what to say. I came on here to say that I lost my other discus as well, and worried that I might get told I "should have, could have" by more experienced people (more than I could handle right now), only to find some very sympathetic and supportive people, as well as some extremely generous offers.

I am ashamed at myself for not thinking better of the forum and completely overwhelmed by the offers. I wouldn't feel right about accepting, but I will humbly and gratefully accept any advice you would like to share with me about how I can help make my discus happy and healthy, and if I'm fortunate enough, how to get them to breed.

Thank you so much.
(going to find clean sleeve now as I couldn't find tissues)

swampy1972
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 10:08 PM
Glad you found this site helpful Mrs D. If the breeders and senior hobbyists here can't get you on track, no-one can.
Keep you chin up and I'm sure you'll come out the other side of this better for the experience and with a whole new raft of lessons learnt.
I'm sure you'll have them back to their best in no time.. :wink:

ILLUSN
Wed Nov 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
to me it looks like fish TB, but I've got no idea where they picked it up, the puss coming from the wound and the ulceration around it looks like Tb, also TB is known to cause popeye.

it could be one of several other organisums but i think your at the stage when you need to talkto a vet.

yopur melons could have gill fluke but otherwise look in good shape maybe try a PP treatment, 2mg/100L over night should do the trick, repeat on days 4 and 7