Satanoperca leucosticta spawn

[Mattzilla]

My new Satanoperca leucosticta pair spawned today for the first time WOO HOO!!!!!!

everything looked like it went to plan so fingers crossed they are fertalised and the parents know what to do

your comments are welcomed

Matt

The male
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3205308271_1086962291_o.jpg

The male with the eggs
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3307/3206151034_9b513ba07b_o.jpg

The female
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3206150956_a9200133ae_o.jpg

The pair with eggs
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/3206150870_5f13026639_o.jpg

[Mattzilla]

a quick video of when they where spawning

leucasticta spawning 18.01.09 (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iFvIBYQw8_I)

cheers
matt

[Hood]

Cangrats mate!!

You must be Stoked!!

[SusieQ]

Hi Matt... Congrats on the spawn :thumb :thumb Love the fish and the video.. Keep us updated on the babies progress. My friend here in the states just had his spawn and the babies are adorable... must be that time of year or something...HAHA. Good luck Sue :D :D

[ozarowana]

They look to be two different variants and probably shoudn't be bred :(

[Mattzilla]

it's not unusual for males and females to display different characteristics... or have some features that are slightly different or more pradominant than others.

From info from the seller they came from the same spawn.

When they are in different modes they change colour too... sometimes they look identical and sometimes they look different.

i appreciate your experience and knowledge, but i think it's a big call to post that i shouldn't breed them

anyone else have any thoughts?

matt

[ozarowana]

Always good to err on the side of caution.

Their head markings are totally different i.e. the male has numerous closely spaced spots the female has less and are more dispersed. All my males and females have the same markings as your female. Your male also has forehead markings not present in the general leucosticta going around.

If they came from the same spawn it's already too late and may be why the male looks similar but not exactly the same as the "sinuous" here :evil:

[zar]

I did initially say to mattzilla's photos that those geos look like whiting to me :-) but recently I came across them in a lfs and they really are cool looking geos, I'm seriously thinking of buying some myself now :-)
Congratulations mattzilla, I hope all goes well with them.

Ozarowana, why shouldn't you breed them even if they even are a bit different? I understand the argument about preserving the original strains, but noone ever complains about mixing discus, browns with rsgs or ss with turqs or whatever, why is mixing geos with different patterns any different?

[ozarowana]

Domestic man made discus are totally different to Satanoperca variants or locality variants of any other species.

Would you cross the different locality variants of Malawi or Tanganika cichlids?

Would you cross G. altifrons "Tocantins" with G. altifrons "Manaus" or G. sp. "Tapajos OH" with G. sp. "Araguaia OH"?

[Mattzilla]

sadly i found the male had jumped out of the tank during the night last night and it was too late by the time i found him in the morning.


rip big guy..... it was a very sad discovery becuase he was a truely stunning fish
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/3123465431_442bc10902_b.jpg

matt

[ILLUSN]

That sucks mate!!!!!!

how are the fry?

[Mattzilla]

fry are doing good. i managed to grab at least 50 or so

yeah it sucks big time!!!!

[SusieQ]

Hi.. Sad to hear about the male but at least you have the wonderful babies.. I'm sure you will have lots of beautiful males in the bunch of fry.. Good luck with them and keep us posted.. Yesterday I picked up my 6 baby orangehead geos and am already in love.. These geos are very addictive.. just like discus.. never thought I'd be saying that!! But I'm already loving them. They are about 1 1/2 inches and fearless. Not afraid of the big bad adult angel, the school of lemon tetras or the big 120 gallon tank.. LOL..
Once again congrats on the fry... Sue :D :D

[Den]

These fish are very interesting. I have had an interest and been keeping Leucosticta for over 22 years. One thing for sure is that this fish especially the male is not the usual leucosticta variety we see in Aus.

The spots on Leucosticta can be highly variable, however fine closely packed dots are not one of the varibles I have seen before in leucosticta. Very fine dots such as those displayed by your male is a characteristic of Satanoperca mapiritensis, which I have never seen in Aus before.

Since these fish have been traded as Leucosticta its possible that this male could already be a mapir/leuco hybrid, the female looks like a Leuco, but when it comes to hybrids fish can display charactistics of either parent, so she is also questionable until we know her origins. Did these fish come from the same parents?, do you have any info on their parents? do you know if any of their sibblings are around?

We could be looking at a new species in Aus here, or dealing with a hybrid issue. Its important that we track them down and make sure they are identified correctly.

Anyone with fish from this spawn should treat them carefully, and not mix them around with leucosticta from other batches, or you could be creating hybrids.

Its a big shame you lost the male, he was a lovely fish.

Cheers
Den :D

[patwilliamson]

oops