I.D please - Unknown Wild Caught Apistogramma

[Bubbles]

:cry: Can someone please help identify this apisto for me. We bought this apisto as a "Wild caught Apistogramma Agassizii Flamingo" but his colouring is greater than our last pair of Flamingo's.
Cheers everyone,
Bubbles aka Karen
:cry: :cry: :cry:

[fishgeek]

looks very much like an aggie, as it was sold

andrew

[Bubbles]

Thanks Andrew,
We know it's an 'Agassizii" but what type of Agassizii, for instance; we have Agassizii Tefe's, we have had Agassizii Double Red's & Agassizi Flamingo's which are not as colourful as the one we purchased as an Agassizii Flamingo - which is why we are wanting help to identify the above apisto.
Thanks for your help but.
Bubbles.

[Th0mas]

Hi Bubble,

As Andrew said - it's definitely an aggie of some form. Have not seen a "flamingo" in Sydney before so I can't be of any help to tell you whether it is or not a "flamingo".

May I suggest you post on apistogramma.com - there's a much bigger audience there with broader knowledge of various species.

From what I think, he looked kind of "white washed" while heavily coloured on the dorsal. Most likely a result of commercial line breeding (resemble something similar to the "Orange Flash" variant of the cacs. Are you certain he's a wild caught fish?

As per my PM - I still think it's best to not let him pair up with a cf. Tefe because the cf. Tefe has always been suspected as a different species from agassizi.

[fishgeek]

i dont do colour variants

tefe has a scale pattern that show's as different to normal aggie, otherwise i think colour morph's are just colour morphs .. confused by all the commercial naming that goes on
i do recall the santarem population having a tail similar to the one pictured

as thomas has said i wouldnt breed with tefe., i think scale deformities were seen with this cross/hybridisation

also romer states in the aggie section of dwarf cichlid atlas
"all colour morphs of of polychromatci species can usually be found at one locality. Furthermore, all the known clourations are often found within a single brood of a wild caught pair. For basically two reasons, different colourations are rarely recorded from the wild.On one hand, litte attention is devoted to the different colourations when live speciemns are being collected in the wild. On the other hand , specimens with bright colours are certainly exposed to a higher selection pressure, which may drastically reduce their percentage in a population."

[Bubbles]

Thanks ThOmas & Andrew.
I think we will have to take him back to the LFS - we cannot breed him cause we dont know what female would be compatible & even if we found one we could'nt sell the any of the babies if they bred cause "assuming" people will want to know what kind of aggie is it.
Thanks for the help - we value any comments - ThOmas - we took the cf.Tefe out after we spoke on the phone, he is in a tank on his own at the moment cause he was attacking the female Flamingo we put in with him & bit a hole in her above the eye. We got the aggie from Ravi at finland Aquarium he has some really great wild caught fish - nearly all sold - he said it's not un-common to have a mix up with the fish that come in.
Cheers,
Bubbles aka Karen

[fishgeek]

karen, i personally would breed any colour aggie with any other colour aggie, they are the same fish just in different colours

the tefe i would only breed with tefe.. there maybe variation of colou in tefe, unsure there

[Bubbles]

karen, i personally would breed any colour aggie with any other colour aggie, they are the same fish just in different colours

the tefe i would only breed with tefe.. there maybe variation of colou in tefe, unsure thereThanks Andrew,
Maybe I will purchase a female aggie & put it in with this male & take the female flamingo back as we no longer have the other pair of aggie flamingo's.
Thanks 4 your advice Andrew,
Cheers
Bubbles aka Karen

[Th0mas]

Hi Karen,

Looking at the picture, I'm just not convince this is a wild caught fish as it totally lacks any wild caught characteristic (based on all the wild caught fish I've kept in the past few years).

Perhaps Andrew or awth may have some opinion on this topic.