Wild Blue Alenquer

[taksan]

http://www.akn-media.com/discus/wildblueAlenquer.jpg

[Merrilyn]

Ohhhhhh taksan. Where did you find that pic?

Can you imagine ten of them in the eldorado tank.

[Xtreme]

Yeah not bad mate :P :P

Are you sure thats the real deal :shock: :shock:

Wayne

[*Chris*]

hybrid for sure lol
or not

[Proteus]

Now that is what I call a real fish.

Nothing but the real deal there, gotta love the brown base against the blues, and one thing that is only usually seen in Wild Discus is the colouration (blue spots) featuring in the 4th through 8th stress bar

[taksan]

Bull$hit its a wild.....captured 10/09/2006 30kms south of the main alenquer capture region.

[Xtreme]

Ok mate just checking :D

Thanks for the clarification taksan :wink:
Geez we would love to have these fish here in Australia for sale
Fingers crossed everyone :roll:

Wayne

[ILLUSN]

I second that Wayne, makes you wonder why we spend so long stuffing about and chasing down the latest and greatest asian imports. thats how fish are suppose to look.

[scott bowler]

that is a awesome looking fish .would love to see it in person, infact would love to see it in my tank hehe

[taksan]

I second that Wayne, makes you wonder why we spend so long stuffing about and chasing down the latest and greatest asian imports. thats how fish are suppose to look.

The reason why people hear spend their time on those Asian mutants is well known.... they are quite cheap (and twice as nasty).
You get what you pay for and the Japanese and German markets always have the great wild caught fish because they are prepared to pay the price.
Fish like the one I've picture wholesale for over $350ea and would cost in excess of $700ea in Australia.
Not many people here are prepared to spend that on the real deal but strangly enough seem quite happy paying $200 for fish that wholesale in Asia for $20.
In real terms these fish are cheaper ......your only paying 100% markup in total locally for the real fish yet your paying 1000% markup for the mutants and people think the wild fish are expensive???? its quite bizzare.

[tao]

u can get cheap wild alenquer for like only $50. Curipia and Yamenda very seperated, die a lot if don't transport on river and Japanese love them so much that's why some rivers' alenquer are so expensive.
another reason why wild discus are not so popular is that all the beautiful thing is fashion. more people like cheap fashion rather than expensive classic.

[DiscusEden]

I'm asking this because I genuinely don't know, but are there any issues with wild stocks being depleted or the best of the wilds being removed, lowering the overall quality of the wild stocks? Or is there a big enough wild stocking level with a small enough specialist market that it's not an issue?

That fish is stunning by the way, and I'm sorely tempted, or at least will be when I have the experience on the nasty Asian mutants. That I still love, though I take your point.

[ILLUSN]

far too true taksan, still mate, beutiful photo, thanks for sharing. WOW Id trade all my fish for a pair like that.

[taksan]

u can get cheap wild alenquer for like only $50. Curipia and Yamenda very seperated, die a lot if don't transport on river and Japanese love them so much that's why some rivers' alenquer are so expensive.
another reason why wild discus are not so popular is that all the beautiful thing is fashion. more people like cheap fashion rather than expensive classic.


The above comments illustrates the main problem with the hobby of Discus these days.

The damage done to Discus by Asian breeders can never be undone unfortunately.

[k0b0i]

that's hot

[nicholas76]

yeah that is a pretty awsum fish.

[fish_r]

great looking fish,

[ivo]

what is wrong with asian breeders to come up with different strains? the word "mutant" is way too strong. imagine if everyone only keeping wild discus how boring is that. there is no point to have photo column here since everyone has the same wild. not every asian mutant is $200 there are cheaper one (includes 1000% mark up) that suit other people's budget and taste. not everyone can afford or willing to pay $350 for a wild. what would the world become if we only have one choice for each product and no more variety?

[taksan]

what is wrong with asian breeders to come up with different strains? the word "mutant" is way too strong. imagine if everyone only keeping wild discus how boring is that. there is no point to have photo column here since everyone has the same wild. not every asian mutant is $200 there are cheaper one (includes 1000% mark up) that suit other people's budget and taste. not everyone can afford or willing to pay $350 for a wild. what would the world become if we only have one choice for each product and no more variety?

They are mutants and they are ALL abominations

[taksan]

great looking fish,..


8-)

[ILLUSN]

Taksan, any chance a few photos of some wild greens and heckels?

[samir]

here are the pic properties

[ivo]

They are mutants and they are ALL abominations

are you for real? diversity! i don't think anyone here would say they are abomination chaser.

[nicholas76]

of course they are not abominations lol


ivo he just dosent like domestics


say how are your stunning reds?

[ivo]

they are good nicholas. still can't tell about the sex yet since they have not spawned with each other nor they pair up with other discus.

[mcloughlin2]

I agree with taksan that they're ruining it for us here. You should have seen some of the fish I've seen in the last few days. :evil: Dyed, Mutated....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[taksan]

here are the pic properties

Bull$hit

[samir]

here are the pic properties

Bull$hit

thats what it says :lol: :lol: :lol: you can check it yourself. :P

[taksan]

All that means is its been opened in CS2 which if you have Bridge installed happens to every picture on your computer.
This fish looks exactly like the picture in or out of the photo tank.

[nicholas76]

you guys will have to agree to disagree!

[Proteus]

All that means is its been opened in CS2 which if you have Bridge installed happens to every picture on your computer.
This fish looks exactly like the picture in or out of the photo tank.

I am with Taksan on this... when I view the properties on a computer with PS or Bridge installed it comes up exactly the same as the screenshot shown, HOWEVER, when I open up the image in PSP on another machine that does not have PS installed on it no creation software is displayed. Also when reverse mapping sections of the image the results are true to what an unaltered photo would show.

According to the encoded data the only change that can be noticed is that the image has been resized, and if the program used to crop the image has a PS plugin, that may have something to do with the way things are displayed in the images properties.

One thing I will say is the lighting used has been very cleverly selected.

Other than that it is one impressive fish

[ivo]

I agree with taksan that they're ruining it for us here. You should have seen some of the fish I've seen in the last few days. :evil: Dyed, Mutated....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

mcloughlin2, where did you see all these dyed, mutated discus? from your lfs? i like to know what you gentlemen mean mutated. Do you mean "deformed" discus?

[nicholas76]

Ivo they are refering to hybrid fish

domestic strains! man made etc etc etc

[Robdog]

i like to know what you gentlemen mean mutated. Do you mean "deformed" discus?

F15 Spiderweb golden marbled volcanic bangkok eruption pigeon mungbeen triple albino snakeskins

[taksan]

IF I can buy a Marlboro Red why can't I get Benson and Hedges Gold or Alpine Green or even that old time classic The Winnie Blue !!!!

[ivo]

hi taksan, how do you distinguish a real "wild" and a "tank bred" wild alike?

[samir]

F15 Spiderweb golden marbled volcanic bangkok eruption pigeon mungbeen triple albino snakeskins

damn :evil: :evil: :evil: are they out already ?? i just got myself the F14's and they are only double albino :evil: :evil: :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[nicholas76]

damn :evil: :evil: :evil: are they out already ?? i just got myself the F14's and they are only double albino :evil: :evil: :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]

i want some Samir

do they have bars? :lol: :lol:

[samir]

yes 32 bars :lol: i heard the f15 are 64. I like the Asian strains but they could do without all the bullsh1t names they come up with.

[taksan]

hi taksan, how do you distinguish a real "wild" and a "tank bred" wild alike?

Ummmmm a real wild was born in a river in South America !
:roll:

A tank bred wild was born in a tank as a result of breeding between 2 naturally occurring strains of the same type.

A mutant is everything else .....

[Robdog]

yes 32 bars :lol: i heard the f15 are 64.

Yes they have 64 bars and they are horizontal. I've heard they are only available at World of Fish in Sydney.

[ivo]

Ummmmm a real wild was born in a river in South America !
:roll:

A tank bred wild was born in a tank as a result of breeding between 2 naturally occurring strains of the same type.

A mutant is everything else .....[/quote]

i am aware of that. obviously a wild caught "wild" would be more expensive than "tank bred" so called "wild" so how do you distinguish between the two from looking at them? i was told that real "wild caught" one has distinguish dark black rings around the outter fins and the mouth is more pointy. Would you agree with that?

this "mutant" discus thing bugs you big time, doesn't it? do you only keep wild caught?

[Cuong]

Good looking fish but the photo has definitely been retouched I can pick out and recreate about 3 different obvious artifacts on that photo. Maybe just opened in PS, but played around in Picasa or something..

Still an awesome fish though, can't ever take that away from it.

[taksan]

i am aware of that. obviously a wild caught "wild" would be more expensive than "tank bred" so called "wild" so how do you distinguish between the two from looking at them? i was told that real "wild caught" one has distinguish dark black rings around the outter fins and the mouth is more pointy. Would you agree with that?

this "mutant" discus thing bugs you big time, doesn't it? do you only keep wild caught?

You can't distinguish between wild caughts and F1's bred from wild caughts of the same strain.
Albino Golden Marlboro Anaconda Snakeskin Eruptions are what bother me.

To see a whole class of fishkeepers made fools of by greedy breeders makes me sick.

[ozarowana]

I think the word mutant is being thrown around willy nilly.

How do we know variation in wild populations isn't due to mutations?

Can anyone prove non pigeon based fish are mutants?

Just a correction ghost and snakeskin are mutations aswell :oops:

[samir]

To see a whole class of fish keepers made fools of by greedy breeders makes me sick.

very true, there's heaps of bullsh1t in the discus trade.

[Dee]

Where there's demand, there's supply ... pretty simple really.

[Davo]

Who really cares!! You might like or dislike a certain strain of discus, everone has different tastes.

Wilds are great but so are many other types of discus.

Dave.

[fish crazed]

great looking fish, but i agree it's been photo shopped...


Well you would all be wrong ..... I'm a professional photographer and I can say with 100% certainty that that photo has never been opened in photoshop.


I would have to agree with you taksan.

[fish_r]

http://www.discusforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12924
i'm thinking it's the same fish

[taksan]

, i'm thinking it's the same fish, )

You would be wrong .....

[ivo]

i think at the end of the day it is a very nice discus good shape and all that.

[Robdog]

...there's heaps of bullsh1t in the discus trade.

There's plenty of it in this thread too :?

[fish_r]

all my posts get edited for some reason,

Maybe if I think about it really hard I might come up with a answer.

[Richy]

Fish_r
that can't be the same fish that Taksan has, his picture of the fish was put on the website four days before the picture was put on the extreme page.

[fish_r]

lol m8 meaning ?
maybe it's not the same same fish but i'm really more on about the re-touching to make it look better...